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Post by dc155 on Feb 7, 2022 11:09:51 GMT -5
Not Penn State related - You may have heard about the car accident involving Venom Volleyball Club - a youth club in Arizona. Sadly, 1 of the athletes passed away, and several others are in critical condition. If inclined, here's the GoFundMe page that has been setup for the families involved: www.gofundme.com/f/nuca4x-medical-expenses-and-funeral-expenses |
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Post by nyline on Feb 7, 2022 16:00:18 GMT -5
Not Penn State related - You may have heard about the car accident involving Venom Volleyball Club - a youth club in Arizona. Sadly, 1 of the athletes passed away, and several others are in critical condition. If inclined, here's the GoFundMe page that has been setup for the families involved: www.gofundme.com/f/nuca4x-medical-expenses-and-funeral-expensesIt's a very sad story. |
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Post by ethankasales on Feb 10, 2022 10:34:21 GMT -5
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Post by ethankasales on Feb 10, 2022 11:02:45 GMT -5
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Post by traveler on Feb 10, 2022 14:47:27 GMT -5
Looks like PII 3.14 GPA. Creamery should give out free Pie to all! |
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Post by pennstate1973 on Feb 11, 2022 18:24:34 GMT -5
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Post by nyline on Feb 11, 2022 20:08:34 GMT -5
Well, this certainly may turn into a "be careful what you wish for" moment -- for all parties. |
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Post by elliotberton on Feb 11, 2022 23:07:29 GMT -5
I like college sports-but only because it is college sports. I don't want to watch pro players employed by schools because frankly the players are inferior to the actual pros. I think the divorce idea (that is dropping inter collegiate college athletics entirely) is a real possibility for many, many schools.
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Post by nyline on Feb 12, 2022 9:17:50 GMT -5
I like college sports-but only because it is college sports. I don't want to watch pro players employed by schools because frankly the players are inferior to the actual pros. I think the divorce idea (that is dropping inter collegiate college athletics entirely) is a real possibility for many, many schools. I share some of your feelings about rooting for "employee" athletes, but on reflection, I repeatedly come up with the following question: if, for example, we were talking about college students being paid to be in a college student orchestra or band (which performed in concerts with paid admissions), would my feelings be the same? Would I be less likely to attend? Would I be less enthusiastic about how great they were? For me, the answer is I would be equally likely to attend, and if they were great, I would be enthusiastic about their greatness. However, I understand someone having a different reaction. |
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Post by pennstate1973 on Feb 12, 2022 10:28:18 GMT -5
I don't think some of the athletes have thought this through. If they are employees making a salary they most likely will have federal and state taxes taken out of their paycheck along with all the other deductions in a typical paycheck. When I was 19 years old the last thing I cared about was saving for Social Security.
It's unclear how this will unfold. Will some colleges decide to do away with athletic scholarships so they can afford the pay demanded by the athletes' union? Will the scholarship be declared employee pay with taxes deducted?
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Post by cindy on Feb 12, 2022 10:29:08 GMT -5
I think the whole NILS/transfer portal/employee status (and so on) is a cluster and we're in for a rocky couple of years of fallout. That said, I love pro sports and college sports and will still watch and enjoy what these young athletes have to show us. I enjoy it all through the ups and downs. I am not athletic myself, so I can always be impressed even by those that aren't at the top.
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Post by elliotberton on Feb 13, 2022 1:47:43 GMT -5
I like college sports-but only because it is college sports. I don't want to watch pro players employed by schools because frankly the players are inferior to the actual pros. I think the divorce idea (that is dropping inter collegiate college athletics entirely) is a real possibility for many, many schools. I share some of your feelings about rooting for "employee" athletes, but on reflection, I repeatedly come up with the following question: if, for example, we were talking about college students being paid to be in a college student orchestra or band (which performed in concerts with paid admissions), would my feelings be the same? Would I be less likely to attend? Would I be less enthusiastic about how great they were? For me, the answer is I would be equally likely to attend, and if they were great, I would be enthusiastic about their greatness. However, I understand someone having a different reaction. My son played in the Penn State symphony. About half were graduate music students, and it was and remains the best orchestra in which he played. In fact I did pay to see them play at Carnegie Hall. However, as good as they were, I would not have purchased tickets if my son (not a music major) was not a member. I would instead have chosen the Philadelphia (or Pittsburgh) symphony instead. Further the analogy is not quite apt. Orchestras don't directly compete with each other, and there are no "winning" seasons. I think a key concern is that schools can now buy a team. While that may have been happening anyway, scholarship limits gave more schools a chance to get good players. Now, since walk ons will be paid, the concentration of talent will be even greater than it already is. |
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Post by nyline on Feb 13, 2022 8:19:21 GMT -5
I share some of your feelings about rooting for "employee" athletes, but on reflection, I repeatedly come up with the following question: if, for example, we were talking about college students being paid to be in a college student orchestra or band (which performed in concerts with paid admissions), would my feelings be the same? Would I be less likely to attend? Would I be less enthusiastic about how great they were? For me, the answer is I would be equally likely to attend, and if they were great, I would be enthusiastic about their greatness. However, I understand someone having a different reaction. My son played in the Penn State symphony. About half were graduate music students, and it was and remains the best orchestra in which he played. In fact I did pay to see them play at Carnegie Hall. However, as good as they were, I would not have purchased tickets if my son (not a music major) was not a member. I would instead have chosen the Philadelphia (or Pittsburgh) symphony instead. Further the analogy is not quite apt. Orchestras don't directly compete with each other, and there are no "winning" seasons. I think a key concern is that schools can now buy a team. While that may have been happening anyway, scholarship limits gave more schools a chance to get good players. Now, since walk ons will be paid, the concentration of talent will be even greater than it already is. I agree the analogy is not perfect. Certainly, there are not "winning seasons" for orchestras, opera companies, dance and ballet companies. But they do, in fact, compete for talent -- performers, directors -- and for funding. And funding follows excellence (and leads to excellence). For a period of a few years, we sublet our apartment in New York City to the Director of the American Ballet Theatre. I learned about how they competed in all of those ways, with varying degrees of success, against New York City Ballet, and companies around the world. Colleges give scholarships to music majors, dance, theatre, etc. And compete for star power in their faculties. Again, not a perfect analogy, as you correctly point out. |
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Post by dc155 on Feb 13, 2022 15:47:22 GMT -5
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Post by evanceg on Feb 13, 2022 18:21:07 GMT -5
Is Ryan Walthall or Colin McMillan leaving, or has the NCAA recently allowed a third full-time assistant coach for MVB? |
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