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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2021 13:24:57 GMT -5
For sure there will be people who will be pushing the boundaries of what is acceptable. Like with all new rule changes, it'll take some time to work out the kinks.
I agree that VB will not be in the forefront.
I agree with you that the amounts of money involved with VB will pale compared to deals for football and basketball stars. But the opportunities at some schools -- which high school players will be generally aware of, regardless of what rules the NCAA has regarding recruiting inducements -- probably will, in some instances, help steer recruits to certain schools over other schools. So the dollar impact will be less, but the recruiting impact may be similar.
Agreed. The question is, which schools will find ways to maximize the pockets of their student athletes? It might not be who we expect. I can see a market opening up for power brokers to 'help' student-athletes get deals.
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Post by elliotberton on Jul 3, 2021 14:01:56 GMT -5
Yes. Keatan demonstrates that one need not be a starter to be valuable to an advertiser.
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Post by nyline on Jul 6, 2021 19:03:30 GMT -5
If this isn't "pay for play" it is an exceedingly close cousin: www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/31771563/dan-lambert-plans-500-month-endorsement-deal-every-miami-hurricanes-football-player-scholarshipAfter you've read the article, answer this question: If Lauren Cook (John Cook's daughter) had the backing of a billionaire who was enamored of Nebraska women's volleyball, would there be anything stopping her from offering $100,000 per year to every Nebraska women's volleyball scholarship athlete (or, in the alternative, every player -- schlolarship or not -- on the Nebraska women's volleyball team) to endorse her not-yet-formed (because I just made it up) Lauren Cook Sports News Network"? If you think she couldn't do it, why not? Extra credit: do you think it would give Nebraska a competitive advantage?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2021 20:01:03 GMT -5
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Post by elliotberton on Jul 6, 2021 20:24:41 GMT -5
If this isn't "pay for play" it is an exceedingly close cousin: www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/31771563/dan-lambert-plans-500-month-endorsement-deal-every-miami-hurricanes-football-player-scholarshipAfter you've read the article, answer this question: If Lauren Cook (John Cook's daughter) had the backing of a billionaire who was enamored of Nebraska women's volleyball, would there be anything stopping her from offering $100,000 per year to every Nebraska women's volleyball scholarship athlete (or, in the alternative, every player -- schlolarship or not -- on the Nebraska women's volleyball team) to endorse her not-yet-formed (because I just made it up) Lauren Cook Sports News Network"? If you think she couldn't do it, why not? Extra credit: do you think it would give Nebraska a competitive advantage? The obvious solution is for the NCAA to adopt a salary cap so that the less well supported "schools" can continue to compete and thus save jobs for our athletes.
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Post by nyline on Jul 6, 2021 20:31:38 GMT -5
Sounds right. BTW, loved the way the article adds her 1.1 Instagram followers to her 3.9 million Tik Tok followers, and says she has a combined 5 million followers. Obviously, it's impossible that there's any overlap between the two platforms
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Post by ethankasales on Jul 7, 2021 9:53:57 GMT -5
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Post by ethankasales on Jul 10, 2021 18:41:37 GMT -5
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Post by nyline on Jul 11, 2021 7:52:08 GMT -5
Setting aside whether any particular endorsement arrangement is/should be permissible, I wonder whether some endorsement choices will be off-putting to fans, and if so, will that affect fan support of teams? My quick answer is probably not. Not many fans will care whether player "X" has an endorsement deal with one brand versus another brand (though I do wonder what happens if an athlete wants a deal with a company that is a direct competitor of a company that a university has a deal with?) But there certainly are scenarios I can imagine in which the endorsement choices of an athlete could be controversial -- I'm not going to go into any hypotheticals, because to do so would unnecessarily inject controversy into this forum. But without specifying the precise circumstances, we can acknowledge the possibility. And if the situation arises, what happens then? If an endorsement is otherwise permissible, schools can't get involved (and I imagine won't want to get involved). But there certainly could be fallout if an endorsement choice of an athlete somehow alienated a significant portion of the fan base ("I really hate that athlete X endorses Product Y. It's just a horrible company and a horrible product"). Or, setting that concern aside, what if boosters see the amount of money flowing in directly to the athletes from NILs and say "Why am I giving my money to this program when the athletes are getting paid more than my kids earn four years out of college?" (to invent one hypothetical). No answer to any of these questions, and perhaps none of these will ever become problems. We certainly are entering interesting times.
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Post by ethankasales on Jul 12, 2021 18:31:26 GMT -5
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Post by ethankasales on Jul 16, 2021 12:14:41 GMT -5
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Post by nyline on Jul 16, 2021 12:50:44 GMT -5
Mark Emmert -- the architect of perhaps the greatest institutional overreach and cravenly self-interested bureaucratic action (see Penn State sanctions) in the history of sport -- is shamelessly trying to recast his image. "I realize there is jelly all over my shirt, and powdered sugar and jelly on my face and hands, but I haven't seen any jelly doughnuts with powdered sugar, let alone eaten any."
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Post by elliotberton on Jul 16, 2021 13:35:56 GMT -5
Mark Emmert -- the architect of perhaps the greatest institutional overreach and cravenly self-interested bureaucratic action (see Penn State sanctions) in the history of sport -- is shamelessly trying to recast his image. "I realize there is jelly all over my shirt, and powdered sugar and jelly on my face and hands, but I haven't seen any jelly doughnuts with powdered sugar, let alone eaten any." Well certainly one can revile Mr. Emmert as the public face of the organization. But I believe he is basically mostly a mouthpiece for a group which has struggled unsuccessfully to integrate apparently irreconcilable goals - to provide for a fair competition for college students organized by schools many of whom will stop at nothing to try to win, and to allow the schools that will stop at nothing to make as much money as they can. The Penn State sanctions were indeed a debacle, as tacitly acknowledged when the sanctions were "modified." But Emmert's comments here are in my view simply a statement that he is giving up. The goals and needs of the member schools, and the student athletes, are too diverse to serve with one (or even 3+) sets of rules. I perceive from his statement that he wants the schools to decide what they want to do. Of course he may have been asking for a jelly doughnut, but if that was his intent, it was expressed too subtly for me to discern.
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Post by nyline on Jul 16, 2021 13:47:48 GMT -5
Mark Emmert -- the architect of perhaps the greatest institutional overreach and cravenly self-interested bureaucratic action (see Penn State sanctions) in the history of sport -- is shamelessly trying to recast his image. "I realize there is jelly all over my shirt, and powdered sugar and jelly on my face and hands, but I haven't seen any jelly doughnuts with powdered sugar, let alone eaten any." Well certainly one can revile Mr. Emmert as the public face of the organization. But I believe he is basically mostly a mouthpiece for a group which has struggled unsuccessfully to integrate apparently irreconcilable goals - to provide for a fair competition for college students organized by schools many of whom will stop at nothing to try to win, and to allow the schools that will stop at nothing to make as much money as they can. The Penn State sanctions were indeed a debacle, as tacitly acknowledged when the sanctions were "modified." But Emmert's comments here are in my view simply a statement that he is giving up. The goals and needs of the member schools, and the student athletes, are too diverse to serve with one (or even 3+) sets of rules. I perceive from his statement that he wants the schools to decide what they want to do. Of course he may have been asking for a jelly doughnut, but if that was his intent, it was expressed too subtly for me to discern. He presided over efforts throughout his tenure to deny student-athletes the ability to be compensated (among other antitrust-defying efforts by the NCAA). I agree he is surrendering, but it is a surrender that comes as he and his organization are being carried off by the victorious forces of the other side.
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Post by elliotberton on Jul 16, 2021 17:00:07 GMT -5
He presided over efforts throughout his tenure to deny student-athletes the ability to be compensated (among other antitrust-defying efforts by the NCAA). I agree he is surrendering, but it is a surrender that comes as he and his organization are being carried off by the victorious forces of the other side. I do not take issue with your comments. I have no sympathy for this person. He knew what he was signing on to, and got (gets) paid quite a bit for doing so. I however remind myself that the member schools, including our well loved alma mater, created this organization, have always had the chance to change it, and have willingly remained part of this body with its ever increasingly complicated rules which have been enforced in an often arbitrary fashion. Mr. Emmert, his colleagues and predecessors have and continue to do what the member schools have wanted (in this instance, not pay the players very much). So in my mind, the Supreme Court decision is a denunciation of the schools as much as it is against the NCAA. I enjoy college sports very much. We can only hope that the new world will not adversely affect the athletes, or the sport.
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